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My Diet

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by fschmidt, Jul 22, 2017.

  1. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    My requirements for a diet: It should be simple. It should be guaranteed to work. And modern doctors should hate it.

    My diet: I have a target weight, what I should weigh. At the beginning of every week, I start a zero-calorie fast that doesn't end until I reach my target weight. I usually fast 2 or 3 days each week, but it varies from 1 to 5 days at extremes. The rest of the week I eat whatever I want. All requirements met.
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  2. Ruryse

    Ruryse Active Member Staff Member

    I don't eat or drink stuff with added sugar, don't consume dairy products (except butter), and don't eat bakery products and potatoes. I eat legumes, grains and nuts only in moderation (because of phytic acid). Except rice and pasta. The rest is good.
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  3. andersonnnunes

    andersonnnunes Active Member

    Currently I don't have any dietary plan.

    Since I got the results of a blood test which indicated I had deficiency of vitamin D (to be expected, as I don't expose myself much to the sun), I bought vitamin capsules. They have only the recommended daily quantities (by conservative standards). Even so, since reading a book¹ about how vitamins are so often sold as an "alternative medicine" and how they are aggressively marketed, I have been considering not buying them anymore.

    The ones I bought had the best cost per quantity (considering the local market and the internet) and a brand which made reference to religious elements. They are distributed by the same company that sells a more pricey brand and markets it aggressively by using celebrities and giving random prizes to random buyers.

    As far as I could tell, the distributor imports the product from the USA, so even if they are from different brands, the manufacturer is probably the same. Considering that standards for vitamins on the USA appear to be quite lax² and that I could not find convincing testimony in favor of that particular manufacturer, the case for not buying their products seems very compelling. Besides, I hate their marketing plans - even if they manage to have the lowest price, I would rather buy from someone else if possible.

    1. Do You Believe in Magic? The Sense and Nonsense of Alternative Medicine
    2. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/supplements-and-safety/
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  4. ListenNighGlint

    ListenNighGlint Active Member Staff Member

    Is that healthy? I've read that fasting can lead to diabetes and more body fat... and a constant monitoring of weight causes mental stress as well. :) I've learned that monitoring body fat is more natural because I can feel it in my clothes.

    What's wrong with these? :eek:

    I've heard of phytic acid, it's a popular topic in paleo diet. :) Some say it's not a good idea to totally avoid consuming it: https://paleoleap.com/phytic-acid-antinutrient/

    My multivitamins have the vitamin D covered, but I try to get some sunlight... even in wintertime. :) Not the direct sun in the summer though, it burns me in no time and I never get a tan. :)
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  5. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    What is the name of this forum again? I mean think about it, how can fasting possibly lead to diabetes? Makes no sense at all.

    Some of the modern fasting ideas like intermittent fasting make no sense to me. Fasting for a day isn't enough to completely shut down the insulin system and to start really burning fat. But 3 days is. My body can easily switch between burning food and burning fat because of my system. And I would bet that virtually no one who fasts regularly gets diabetes because the insulin system gets a rest.
  6. ListenNighGlint

    ListenNighGlint Active Member Staff Member

    It's called Starvation Diabetes, here's the description of the process: Starvation And Diabetes Mellitus :)

    Fasting also leads to muscle atrophy, starting after 24 - 48 hours: How Long Can I Fast Before I Start Losing Muscle?

    A beautiful example of circular reasoning... :)
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  7. Ruryse

    Ruryse Active Member Staff Member

    I didn't want to get diabetic either. As it's turned out, lactose made me really obese for decades, and I didn't want to go down the path of having to make my own trusted bread, etc. either. Potatoes every now and then probably wouldn't hurt much, but I never really cared for them anyway, and rice and some pasta work just perfectly.

    I couldn't care less about the paleo hype, I just didn't want to hinder my mineral (calcium) digestion with taking too much phytic acid. Thanks for the link, so it does have some benefits. Good to know.
  8. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    Your "Starvation Diabetes" means eating carbs right after a fast. This is stupid (and is recommended by modern idiots). After fasting (as always), I eat whatever my body wants. And after fasting, my body does not want carbs. So this is a non-issue.

    I would really like to see the study supporting "muscle atrophy" but I would guess that the study would be done on people who don't fast regularly. I know from my own experience that my body learned to handle fasting and it isn't an issue now. I work out when I fast without any problems. So my guess would be that there is some muscle atrophy at the beginning of a fast of people who have no experience fasting, and this is because the body doesn't know how to handle it (doesn't know how to switch to ketosis quickly). I seriously doubt that people who fast regularly experience any muscle atrophy. But if I am wrong, show me the study.
  9. ListenNighGlint

    ListenNighGlint Active Member Staff Member

    So after days of fasting you starve your system even longer. I admire your self-discipline... Inedia would just be one step further. :)


    If regular fasting could do magic to muscles as well as the rest of the body, athletes would keep fasting like crazy... but intermittent fasting, which is what you do, is a modern fad for sedentary people.
  10. Shanj

    Shanj New Member

    I've had to struggle with weight because of a health problems crashes me and when I was ill I couldn't exercise or do strict discipline on food. Grrr. But at least I've learned what works by long trial and error.
    Fasting doesn't work for me at all. I just go into shock.

    Ladeez n gennelmun THE SLOW DIET Slow wins, fast crashes.

    Do NOT move on to higher target until the current one is established. When slips happen just get comfy again before climbing.
    STAGE 1, CUT ALL SUGAR. Takes me about 3 weeks. Years ago it took 3 months! Sweet tooth oh dear.
    Once it's comfy I allow a small treat once a week.
    Eat more! Eat more veg more fruit. Add salad to main meal. Eat everything else except sugar as much as I like just to cope with sugar withdrawal.
    Exercise. Try to move a little more. Anything small added on, but small.
    STAGE 2. TIMING. Enlarge breakfast as much as poss, and eat it in the first hour.
    Aim supper before 8pm --- then move to 7.30 then 7pm. Fat storage is more efficient after 7. Drink lots instead, watered fruit juice, herbal / fruit teas. Buddhist monks & nuns don't eat after 1pm and they're amazingly healthy.
    'Tiny Taste' We only really fully taste the first 2 mouthfuls so take those 2 normal mouthfuls of a forbidden food. Cut this into tiny tiny pieces, making 8 miniature mouthfuls. Throw the rest out or ask someone to hide it. Eat the mouthfuls slowly and it's amazing how satisfying it is.
    The throwout principle also helps when eating out - ask for 2nd plate, remove a third later half, and ask for it to be taken away.
    Also learn to be rude to friends. Say No. Don't say I'm on a diet say I'm on a medical diet. They don't press you then to eat those scones they baked just for you your favourite.
    Exercise - I have a treadmill, try to use it once, then twice a day. Movement switches the system to burning. Even 5 mins vigorous helps. Best period for exercise is 3pm - 6pm as it revs up before the evening meal.
    STAGE 3. "GENTLE EATING" Use small plates, small cutlery (side knife, dessert fork, side plate). Fullness hits sromach after 20 mins so slower eating with small utensils achieves a lot. Gradually learn to lay them down between each mouthful, same reason.
    Exercise - swimming twice a week.
  11. ListenNighGlint

    ListenNighGlint Active Member Staff Member

    A common mistake thinking fruit is not sugar and that it's safe to consume in high doses... :) Your pancreas will be very thankful, just like that of Steve Jobs.
  12. Hailey

    Hailey Member

    I felt very healthy when on the paleo diet. That in addition to long distance daily walks. It takes motivation to stay on the diet and can be a more expensive way to eat too. I did break a few rules. One was eating white rice and oats sometimes. These are some of the healthier grains I think and makes the diet cheaper. I had cheese as an every once in a while as a treat.

    One other thing you can try is green smoothies. There is plenty of recipes online. To get started you can use less vegetables while your tastes adjust, and add more and more as time goes by. You need to get a good blender for the smoothies. Something like the nutribullet is cheap but works. It is small though and most recipes online don't give the right portions for it. I know someone that has a ninja and they say it's amazing. If you really want to go all out, you could get the vitamix or blendtec. I've got the blendtec and it can blend just about anything. It can make soup, salsa, frozen deserts, nut butters and more if you are into that. I would recommend getting a blendtec if at all possible. For me just having that blender has made it so convenient and enjoyable to get lots of vegetables into my diet.
  13. ListenNighGlint

    ListenNighGlint Active Member Staff Member

    Tricks like this are unnecessary if you eat right... the sensation of hunger, appetite and satiety originates from the brain (hypothalamus), not the stomach.

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