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High IQ people are excluded from society

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by softboober, May 20, 2017.

  1. softboober

    softboober Active Member

    A great article on how people with high above average intelligence end up being lonely outsiders: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html

    It basically means people with IQ 150+ (Standard Deviation 15) become socially isolated. The loneliness thing we discussed.

    It talks about the oh so well known and suffered maximum allowable gap within a leader-follower, advisor-leader, or spouse-spouse relationship for them to still work. The former one is generally about 20 points, the latter needs to be within 0.4% between partners according to assortative mating, or else... it's fucked. :p Something that is a non-issue for a person of average IQ.

    It also says how high IQ people don't only think faster, they tend to think about way different things as well.

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  2. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    I assume this depends on the culture of the society. In societies where behavioral conformity is highly valued, it seems obvious that high IQ people won't fit. Modern Western culture seems to be the worst case of this. In other societies where there are simple criteria for belonging such as religion, nationality, extended family, or race, high IQ should be less of a problem. This has been my experience. I absolutely don't fit in modern culture, but I haven't had as much of a problem in other cultures. And in terms of career, my solution has been that rather than join a group, I just focus on screwing members of modern culture out of as much money as possible, and this has worked out quite well.
     
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  3. Ruryse

    Ruryse Active Member

    Great find, @softboober . It kind of touches @Caamib 's article as well, regarding how and why those CEOs and politicians can be successful, even though there are much brighter bulbs out there.

    Do you think that growing up and living for a much longer period in another such culture would still not reveal the same problems you have encountered in modern Western culture?

    Now we're talkin'. What are your ways to screw them? Is it legal by their rules and laws?
     
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  4. Reewier

    Reewier Member

    Since I believe that money itself is a fake, manipulative tool with no real worth, I sure want to be able to do that screwin' as well, while feeling exactly zero guilt. :)
     
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  5. ListenNighGlint

    ListenNighGlint Active Member

    It is! :p *sigh*
     
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  6. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    I don't think so, but of course I can't be sure.

    I am not going to reveal how. (Why should I?) But yes it is legal. The American legal system is designed to help the rich screw everyone else, thank God.
     
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  7. Ruryse

    Ruryse Active Member

    Do you think you would be able to be rich and allowed to screw people like that outside the Western world as well?
     
  8. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    No. Business outside the West depends on personal connections and I would be weak in that environment. The West is legalistic which is something that I can take advantage of.
     
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  9. Ruryse

    Ruryse Active Member

    Is that something you're ready to give up once you find or establish a society to your likes? I would have thought the West was only legalistic up to a point, depending on the amount of wealth available to the public.
     
  10. ListenNighGlint

    ListenNighGlint Active Member

    Shame on you! :eek:
     
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  11. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    There is no current society that I like that is a big enough market, so this isn't a practical question. I will make another thread about my view of business.

    The West is still quite legalistic and these things change slowly.
     
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  12. Reewier

    Reewier Member

    Stop me! :p
     
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  13. andersonnnunes

    andersonnnunes Active Member

    I wonder how many people are driven to suicide because of that exclusion. I know of at least two cases, but I suspect of many more.
     
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  14. Ruryse

    Ruryse Active Member

    Did they make that choice because of mate finding problems?
     
  15. andersonnnunes

    andersonnnunes Active Member

    Both were recently divorced and I guess (from their blog posts) that they had lost all hope of ever finding another mate.
     
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  16. softboober

    softboober Active Member

    I don't want to reach that point when all hope is lost. :(
     
  17. softboober

    softboober Active Member

    Are there societies where it's not highly valued?

    Can it be because you were just a temporary outsider? In my opinion, problems start to occur when someone tries to really fit into a community. Up until that point, I'm just a guest and handled accordingly.
     
  18. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    Ironically it is those societies with well defined behavioral norms where global behavioral conformity is not required. In other words, if a society has clearly defined rules of behavior, then one can adhere to those rules but otherwise not conform in a way that doesn't conflict with those rules. Examples include Japan and traditional England. Traditional English culture is a great example. There were clear rules for being a gentleman, and as long as one adhered to those rules, one could be as eccentric as one wanted. This was one of strengths of English culture.

    In contrast, when there are no well defined behavioral norms, then the masses of morons decide for themselves what is acceptable, and in practice this means that they will find any unusual behavior suspect, so global conformity becomes required. Modern America is the best example of this.
     
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  19. softboober

    softboober Active Member

    What you're saying about the traditional cultures is a very ideal, live and let live kind of life style. I wonder what held those people back from degrading to the level of something like the modern Western world. On the other hand I noticed how Japan, South Korea and the likes have taken up a lot from the West, so how can they handle such a mix of cultures? Aren't the newer generations turning into the same facades just as much as in the US? An example of what I mean.
     
  20. fschmidt

    fschmidt Active Member

    At the core, it was religion.

    Yes, they are decaying.
     

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